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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks alot, that really helped me.
i always stop if im writing a story, im not going to do that anymore, haha.
but does writing make alot of money?
im gonna try and write some more, wish me luckk!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm, maybe I'll post some of my old stuff, see what happens

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Whenever I feel like
I don’t have an answer
Whenever I feel like
There’s no one around
I walk through the hills and
I silently whisper
All that I’m thinking
Everything is a lie

Never do I want to see
What I was again
Please let me cast away
Everything that I once was

I try to believe that
Things will be better
I try to believe that
It will turn up alright
At least I can sleep and
At least I can wander
Every night I turn it away

Never do I want to see
What I was again
Please let me cast away
Everything that I once was
Sometimes it’s hard to see
Just what I’ve done right here
Sometimes it’s hard to see
Just where that I have gone
I see my reflection
And it looks back at me
I wonder when I have
Become who I am

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dnicedashizz wrote:
thanks alot, that really helped me.
i always stop if im writing a story, im not going to do that anymore, haha.
but does writing make alot of money?
im gonna try and write some more, wish me luckk!


For me, it's always been easier to revise than it is to create from nothing.

As far as making money... fiction is very difficult because the market is pretty narrow. From what I understand, it's not much different from working up the non-fiction ladder (just a bit more difficult). Start small, short stories and stuff. Get in some small magazines or e-zines, then progressively work your way into bigger and bigger publications. Settle for publishing for free only in the beginning. Once you get paid, always get paid.

Non-fiction is a wider market, and it's a lot easier to establish yourself as a non-fiction writer and then hopping into fiction from there. Capote proved that you can make non-fiction as elegant as fiction if you research well enough. And you definitely can survive as a non-fiction writer. It's tough as hell, but you can do it if you want it enough. Just start small, and work your way into bigger and bigger publications.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zenphobia wrote:
I hate the idea of muses and inspiration because these things are unreliable.

As someone who writes to pay his bills, I have to have a process that allows me to produce writing on a consistent basis. Inspiration typically fails at this point.

This is, to a great extent, what I was trying to say in my first post. You can make a concept bigger and bigger by adding more and more to it (inventing muses, inventing creative demons) . . . and then, when you try to do the thing, you find it's too big to handle. I advocated just sitting down and writing, and you came and gave a very educated explanation of how to do so: there's an awful lot of "writer's craft" that can be learned and can make things plenty better.

But in your writing, you seemed to scorn the idea of "being in the mood" in general. I hope that this is merely a byproduct of your emphasis on shooting down "inspiration" as some necessary magical pill, and not that you view writing as being purely mechanical. Surely, it is far better on the person doing the writing if you want to do it, and there is nothing wrong with striving for "the mood" if you're not ignoring writing the rest of the time.

Zenphobia wrote:
Settle for publishing for free only in the beginning. Once you get paid, always get paid.

You know what . . . that strikes me as very good advice in a lot of ways, not just in publishing. I may remember that. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

very nice poem, it made me feel like i was walking in the middle of thee night. lol

but, i was thinking some about being a writer, or something with writing. i like speaking as well, so who knows what i'll do.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rexfelum wrote:

But in your writing, you seemed to scorn the idea of "being in the mood" in general. I hope that this is merely a byproduct of your emphasis on shooting down "inspiration" as some necessary magical pill, and not that you view writing as being purely mechanical. Surely, it is far better on the person doing the writing if you want to do it, and there is nothing wrong with striving for "the mood" if you're not ignoring writing the rest of the time.

--Rexfelum


To me, there is certainly nothing wrong with being in the mood. I just can't rely on it.

I have to wake up every day and write for 8 hours. That's how I pay my bills. Are there times when everything just clicks and I feel really inspired? Sure, but those are just flickers. I have to produce writing every time I sit down to write. If I don't, I'm missing deadlines.

Whenever writers throw around the words inspiration or muse or mood it makes it all sound very mystical. Those words are just synonyms for "luck." The words just came out perfect, but you have no idea why and have no way of recreating it. It's like someone that hits a hole in one when they're golfing but has no concept of form and finesse, so they can never recreate that perfect shot until they get lucky again some far time down the road.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn you Denise! Now I'm going through all my old notebooks and papers, websites and blogs looking for anything I've ever written! not something I should do when I'm supposed to be studying
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mwahaha, phase one complete...

dont worry, im doing the same. i should be sleeping.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eventually I'll post more stuff up. Once I finish deciding what I actually want to post
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just close your eyes and choose randomly, works for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eventually, eventually
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:


Ready to drift away
My friend
Time to set sail
We gotta live life
To get through life
Back into the past

Good time we had
And bad times we’ve seen
But they come and they go
Back into the past

Experiences must be made
And never be forgotten
None will be taken away
Back into the past

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*applause* i like!
the whole, look ahead complex. inspirational even.
this month is national poetry month.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because I can't keep running
Because the more I change the more I stay the same
Because there is something
Because there is someone
Because a million things can go wrong
Because all we need is one thing to go right
Because there is a chance
Because I have nothing else
Because I WILL CONTINUE!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ravin_13 wrote:
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Because I can't keep running
Because the more I change the more I stay the same
Because there is something
Because there is someone
Because a million things can go wrong
Because all we need is one thing to go right
Because there is a chance
Because I have nothing else
Because I WILL CONTINUE!

Woo! Sounds great.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i second that and please may i have some more.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guppy wrote:
i second that and please may i have some more.


Eventually, when I get back home
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Our time is burning up
I wait right here through time without you
I wrote these words right now about you
about what's left between us
there is nothing left to say
I wrote these words about you without you
I want to see the end
I have nothing left about you
there is nothing left between us
I wrote these words about you without you
there is nothing left to say
there is no one left to read
these words about you without you

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I walked a million miles
I don't know where I went
I crossed the path of those
That I once knew
I corssed the path of those
That I had never known
I walked until I stopped
At the edge of time
It shone just out of reach
It took forever to see
Just who it was right there
The known man of dawn
He told me to go home
This place is not for me
But I kept going on
Never stopping for long
I didn't even stop
When I reached the end
It did not matter then
It was my time to go
I never saw home again
Such a long, long time ago

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
and you try too hard to make it stop
and you try too hard to let you down
and you can't keep going down that path
and you can't keep trying to make it word
so leave it here, leave it down
let it go again, one more time
so leave it here again , leave it down
just don't go again, just don't go

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